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Will go no further on that. Owen Gleiberman awards five stars to a film that ‘has the scary intensity of a thriller’. image caption The Church of Scientology has denounced the film as being informed by "misfits" Sky Atlantic is to show a controversial documentary on Scientology… Directed by John Dower. Thanks Adolf,... now I'll never join your weird self-centered egocentric freak filled circus CULT ! Eye-opening stuff. And it is only through education that we can have any notion of the Truth, that is Truth beyond what any Theism can offer. When groups like Scientology and the Mormon church have cash coming out the a*s, I'd say we should all be a bit scared! This "church" **IS** a racket and seeing the reactions & responses the reporter in this documentary received, from well known celebrities - I might add, I'm sickened even moreso. Louis Theroux documents his investigation into what goes on behind the scenes of the infamous Church of Scientology. This is in no way a endorsement for christianity, I think it is one of the greatest wrongs ever visited upon mankind. Total BS and obvious to anyone with the slightest sense of reason. The point I think is that these people had to get there ideas about God or more precisely about no God from somewhere; I would be hesitate to say that conversation in some form or another with those around them would have no role in influencing their thoughts. He is a good example of the type of religion I find beautiful and not corrupted or destructive toward society. i was born a catholic, and i see nothing wrong with slamming cath.religion where it sucks. Sect starts off as a separation from the original "religion" and people that dislike it say it is a cult instead of a sect. A documentary looking at the inner-workings of the Church of Scientology. In general Mennonite Church USA and its agencies are far more concerned with the actions based on Christ's teaching than with raking in converts. Louis Theroux tries to understand how Jimmy Savile was able to get away with his crimes. On to your other points...you said, "Jesus’ teachings might motivate you to be kind and generous, but that still doesn’t make the 6-day creation of earth, global flood, 2-of-every-species-on-one-boat, virgin birth, or resurrection of the dead tales any less a load of BS." Heal-a this guys Alzheimer s-aahh!" That documentary is not an objective look. Why should religion be tolerated? I think cult YES. I would definitely join you in refusing to declare certainty about anything not observable. Amazing. Looking forward to your reply then I will answer you in detail. Its the anti-god theme. This is great I watched it on the BBC website when it first came out. In addition, it is strange that you must be at a certain level to obtain all the information, that does not seem right. A little proof of your contention. How did Scientology get so cult-like in the first place? Atheists who are philanthropic or just average good people. Around 8.55 the program introduces the present leader of Scientology, David Miscavige. The crazy part was "Yes we still believe in Scientology even after what happened to us" in the second to last paragraph. I doubt very seriousely this cult will ever take root here in the southeastern US. However, Fear them? No but they are stupid, and stupid ends up murdering. My boss, who is more or less the most senior guy in our conference, certainly makes less than 60, and he's been here like 20 years. Haggis, a Scientologist for 35 years before his highly publicised break with the Church in 2009, tells us how incredibly good an audit session could make him feel, as if he’d purged himself of all his toxins. To me, God, the whole notion, the person, etc. This was an interesting doco. Scientology and Mewas a television documentary broadcast 14 May 2007 as part of the BBC's Panorama series. I'm sure L. Ron Hubbard would be truely ashamed. I was just saying its scary when groups like this manage to get a lot of power and start pushing their agenda on the rest of us, like the Mormon Church did with Proposition 9. Sect, cult and religion. My feeling is more of a generality where quite simply the teeth are removed from the beast by pointing and laughing. He caused people to be brought to Or a private club for dumb a**es. John Sweeney investigates the Church of Scientology and allegations made by former members and relatives of current members. Answer me if I'm correct or incredibly wrong. Before I do may I ask you what experience you have had with Scientology personally? They insist on trying to force their inherited stupidity on others. Just as an exsample, I can walk into a catholic church looking for guidence and I would be givin books and counsel free of charge. There are many people like me, so figure out who you want to argue your random talking points with, and do so, but please extend the courtesy I will gladly extend to you of allowing me to speak of what I believe, instead of you assuming you understand the complexities of Christian theology enough to tell me what I believe and why it is silly. Documentary films presented by Louis Theroux. for one, my priest never sent people to spy on me cause i said that god doesn't seem like a very likable person... i m not a catholic anymore, and guess what, no one cares. All you have to do to be a member is: 3/4 (10:47). what kind of god would want people devoting their lives to it? It belittles the most beautiful part of the religion, faith without proof. Werd Up jim! Just like every religion, it's based in brainwashing, mind control, and brute force to get people in, or certain people out, wow, real corrupt **** going on. I refuse to believe in anything that is not observable because we are just guessing in that case. The dictionary definition can be applied to any religious veneration in reality. as dumb as many see this to be it is no no more odd and unusual than our popular religions today (of course this group do reach new levels of the downright bizarre that even outdoes creationist and twisted world they beleive they live in ) It should be a bit alarming that Scientology has done it so fast. Anyway, the fact is there are good atheists and bad atheists. Mercifully, it was soon time for dinner. Organized religions around the world do charitable work and help millions of people free of charge. If I say muslims are bombers, Latinos are illegals, Africans are lazy, or Jews are greedy. -m, I like how everyine just ignores that A. T. Heist guy. all kinds of religion must stop immeadiatly imo.. this nonsence does more harm than good. Regardless of how kind and generous one's supernatural beliefs may motivate one to be, that does not change the fact that their claims about the world are still dubious at best. Spread the word of our lord. Jesus' teachings might motivate you to be kind and generous, but that still doesn't make the 6-day creation of earth, global flood, 2-of-every-species-on-one-boat, virgin birth, or resurrection of the dead tales any less a load of BS. The ones in the know, know! There is some proof he existed and taught a beautiful philosophy- thats all. I have no interest in proving the veracity of my particular beliefs - which by the way are made up of a process of inquiry and pursuit, not dogmatic certainty. clearly the scientology corporation is completely paranoid. There is something that can be experienced, though perhaps never adequately defined, that I consider to be God. 3. The problem is how it, judging by the information displayed in the documentary, is used by some people, to manipulate, enslave, or even destroy other people. Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so. There is a new book that is really interesting called God is not one. Finally, I would once again ask you to verify in any specific terms - since you are all about things being verifiable and provable - what is "secretive and manipulative" about, for example Mennonite Church USA...or the Quakers....? Scientology what a joke. and put him in an electronic So, don't assume, because you know this or that about this or that group, that you have a clear picture of all Christians. Notice how every Official & Celebrity get's irate at the reporter? Dianetics, the principles to me, are sound and I believe, are needed for many, for when things seem to be their most dim, can be very empowering. I also agree about the political thing, it disgusts me and frustrates me. Directed by Alex Gibney. No. I left the christian religion at a very young age and so did my parents, of course they were older. I find it interesting, that instead of engage in thoughtful debate you insist on A) being certain you know what I, a complete stranger, believe B) impugning these supposed beliefs with belittling adjectives like "goofy" and "silly" and C) using unoriginal logic that does not apply to our conversation so much as it applies to a general conversation you are having with the ether - presumably because that one is easier to "win". BTW - I have NO religious affiliation. ez2b12 bought into another type of cult. As for defining 'cult' I assumed he was using it in the derogatory sense that most people are familiar with. I would have called the cops or pulled into a police station if they were following me. Wait yes I have he was drunk and high and spent about 3 hours babbling senselessly about how I was trapped by my own reactionary mind. If they are all so "clear" from practicing the teachings of L. Ron, how can they justify being so petty and vindictive? Scientology: The Ex-Files is a great documentary about Scientology, with a special focus on the Australian arm of the notorious cult. Corrupt, bent, controlling doesn't even begin to describe this institution (The church of scientology, not the BBC) ;). No dispute. SWEENEY: A lifetime in science Scientology can begin on … @Creatio-whaa!? You do the religious population a great favor by exhibiting such restraint and deep examination of dogma. Much praise to Vlatko for propagating free speech, liberty, and knowledge to all seekers of truth and justice. But this OT III is serious business... read on! 2) High spirited young women (sexual) should be be matched with older men of means to control her spirit. Nonetheless, all the negatives are inevitable effects of external self-identifiers employed for the purpose of embellishing one's sense of identity. I should know I have had death threats that were not just idle talk slung at me simply for asking for evolution to be taught in school here. The Secrets of Scientology is a documentary which was broadcast on 28 September 2010 as part of the BBC 's Panorama documentary strand. Either it is or isn't. What you should rally to is, most def, to destroy human stupidity, on one hand, both those who do this, and those who let themselves get into this, and to destroy also human intolerance, which is born most of the times from sheer ignorance and fear. If one's religion makes him or her kind and generous, a pat on the back to them, but the tenets of their supernatural beliefs are still silly, and you don't get a "get out of rational analysis free" card just for being nice. this is no religion its a joke, and anyone foolish enough to belive this , deserves to be part of it. Granted, both are horrible, but at its worst, Scientology can only be "charged" with fraud, brainwashing, and trespassing/stalking. A cult? @ N: Thank-you :) Yes, you are right, I am a good person and the majority of people in Scientology are. Are they die-hard converts or, in fact, celebrity hostages? Not that we didn't, I just stay so busy with school and all I forget. It seems that it is a nice cult actually. That is unfortunate, but you cannot look at only that and say that is Scientology. If a kid asks about it he/she is told to talk to their parents about it or their preacher that they are not allowed to teach the truth so they teach nothing at all on the subject. There is a link in a post of 'elesceptico' below which gives another side to it. One thing I will say for the simple bunch I live around, they believe in privacy and personal liberty and have no issue with shooting to kill in order to defend theirs. Jesus and his "unique" insight into human nature are highly overrated. I think there is no need to. All original all the time right? its a b-movie of a cult casted with the grand-spawn of b-movie never-wases, wearing suits and kept thin on coffee and cigarettes, running the show. And as for exploiting peoples beliefs for profit, is it really that hard to comprehend. It has been … now that I've gotten that off my chest.... thanks for your thoughts. you can spot a scientologist from a mile away, once you know what to look for, and they're everywhere. This gave me ALL the insight I will ever need into just how bat-sh!t crazy this cult really is. ; I get what you are saying but honestly can't say it's 100%. I don't claim that ANY of my beliefs about the supernatural are verifiable, hence I would not attempt to peddle any version of my faith based on that. It is symptomatic of delusional thought disorder - a serious mental illness. This occurs all over the world and is why people do it. My questions are asked exactly because my exposure to scientology is limited, you would be capable of providing an insider perspective by answering the questions I asked you before, looking forward to it. Scientology is a pay-as-you-go religion - which is one of the reasons why the Charity Commission in Britain does not class it as a religion. Anyway my point is that I feel absolutedly horrible for helping destroy his faith, maybe he would not have killed himself if he could have held on to the belief that he would see them again or that his father whom was a preacher had not wasted his life. Not to mention the surveillance, blatant disrespect of those following him, harassment, intrusion, etc. good luck on your search for untainted god. It is all well and good that you have determined wrong and right for yourself and don't need a religious belief to be a good person. There were no histrionics from John Sweeney this time but a second look at Scientology underlined the insidious aspects of the controversial organization. :). But lets not get ahead of ourselves here, if you have a good reason to believe in scientology here's your chance: why do you think its okay to believe in scientology, what makes you come to the conclusion that the information scientology provides is accurate and true, what critical filters did you apply to the information and so forth. You lose all your ammunition when you make a huge simplification like "they always seem to..." Like I said, I'm a Mennonite. The thing is, I can disagree without reducing the beliefs and experiences of others to fit my own parameters. There are plenty of examples of Theist turned Atheist, or Agnostic, or Anti-Theist even; or whatever else term we can come up with along those lines. @Coyote; Agreed, money and masses can equal power in this world. You just don't hear about the rest of us. Scientology does this, Christianity does it, Islam, Buddhism, you name it. This film is backed by Scientology. You're either a saint or a liar if you say that wouldn't push you over the edge. I do not 'believe' in Scientology. It's called ALIEN-TOLOGY. plain wrong, what ever happened to the single persuit of knowledge Certainly they have a right to believe what they want. I'm not being high and mighty by using Mennonites as an example, I'm just asking you to verify that your generalization is actually worthwhile or useful in discussing this. This time, in a Panorama Special, one of those officials has turned whistle blower to help him reveal the dark secrets of the church, which boasts Hollywood A-listers Tom Cruise and John Travolta among its devotees. Please. Scientology is a criminal organisation! oh and @ keith If they didn't have anything to hide and they were a legit organization they wouldn't need to send those dummies out to stalk critics. "Scientology and Me" is a television documentary conducted by reporter John Sweeney, which aired on the BBC program, Panorama on 14 May 2007. Its actually rather pathetic to see people such as yourself completely unable to see such a simple truth, to twist and distort the way you see the world around you to such a degree and to think you're being a positive influence on humanity is just sad. The state, in order to remain impartial and non-religious, needs to be protected from groups who seek to misapply their own traditions to the secular state and religify them. What it is, who we are, how we get into a less than optimum state and most importantly, what exactly to do to get to how we want to be. BBC Films' Louis Theroux's upcoming theatrical debut, 'Stairway to Heaven,' explores Scientology. The technology is there to be used and can be done without ever setting foot in a Church. My church doesn't, and its not a practice that is tolerated in our denomination as a whole. Religions are superstitious fantasy cults mostly founded on bronze-age myths and followers of them are mentally ill, like schizophrenics. Yes we do agree on alot, cool. As for Cruise, he’s portrayed – especially in one astounding clip Gibney has uncovered of the actor’s birthday celebration aboard a Scientology ship – as a clueless ‘true believer’, blind to much of what goes on within the Church, his loyalty to Scientology stoked and manipulated by his friendship with Miscavige. That said, this is not just another religion, it is a cult pure and simple. Going Clear is a ‘must-see’ Scientology documentary. i liked this doc! I think most of those concepts are largely man-invented too. I don't see these attributes or ideas as only belonging to religion, but most religion definetly promotes them. John , fair play to you for keeping your cool for so long I would have lost it with that prick long before you did. but there's a big difference between catholics and scientologysts. I don't understand how some religious and faith-based organizations can feel justified in making a profit on this need. Then, and only then, will we "(...) move in to the rightfully modern world we deserve". Every other religion in the world should come under as much scrutiny as scientology as they are no better. He used A member sits down and digs into their secrets and private traumas, as the auditor asks questions and takes notes, recording the subject’s responses on an ‘E-meter’, a gadget invented by Hubbard. Religion is centered on a fear of life and adult responsibilities. That is why it is pointless to disput with one on these matters. This is a dangerous cult that breaks up families and can destroy peoples lives, that's enough reason to be scared. and then the actress from king of queens begins to nod her head with understanding of the journalist's proposal, then homeboy jumps in talkin bout "nobody understands you. I don't think I'm being all high and mighty, what I'm saying is that you're argument is thin and not well reasoned if you insist on ignoring facts that make it a more complex issue than is convenient for you. You said, "But the negative things that Scientology does reflect more subtle elements that are present in many “normal” religious communities as well. All you have to do to be a member is: Especially in this country and with this corrupt bunch of lazy lawyers running it. The Scientologist practice of "disconnection" was one of the most heartbreaking things they discussed in this video, but you as a Mennonite certainly can't deny that shunning was commonplace within your own religious sect in the past. All religion is extraneous trash. If you would like to comment on this story or anything else you have seen on BBC Culture, head over to our Facebook page or message us on Twitter. Just no. @EZ no offense taken in the slightest. Excellent watch highly recommended. I'm also curious as to what exactly the benefits of scientology are, feel free to list them all in as much detail as you can manage, for I seem to be coming up short in figuring out how scientology benefits humanity in any way and before you go there, mass hysteria and self delusion is not beneficial in any way. Cost around a million dollars to get the information above. (LOL) I know what they mean but I don't want to bring it back up on this site really. o my days sum peps have no clue that there alive...... It was horrid. The intelligence community probably are not afraid of them or conerned about them. The "church" wants respect but does nothing to GIVE it. Going Clear unpeels Scientology layer by layer via testimony from former high-level Church officials who have never spoken up before. ... You know it's incredible when religious people see Scientology and say "lol how can they buy into this" or "They are brainwashing". Is it a religion? He actually knew he had miscalculated the growth potential of the original Group - Dianetics. @ Canadian They are quite strict about not proselytizing. If you wish to take that as a challenge - go for it. This doc was creepy. was informative at all...this Sweeney guy is awful & he makes himself too relevant as if the doc. L.Ron was a con artist, rip-off, boat thief, wife stealer, backstabbing a**hole & crap sci-fi writer. The ringleaders, if not extorting peoples' money or indulging in some warped supernatural fantasy, are usually to be found having sex with male prostitutes or busy raping small children in the back of a church. Whell technically they learn about the alien part only after serving ~30-40 years in that cult (if at all they are told). But the negative things that Scientology does reflect more subtle elements that are present in many "normal" religious communities as well. Tax reasons, not legal security. But instead they allow religion to invade politics, education, and science and really throw a wrench in the whole system. And I will say as many times as i have to that it just isn't that simple. Those money grubbing evangelizing poor people scorning Quakers. No problem man, i am sorry i jumped at you. But before you get on your high horse about Mennonites and your wonderful little parish, keep in mind organizations like Narcanon and Crimanon which are sponsored by that evil "cult" Scientology. was placed in the implants. I know about it and have never even spoken to a professed member. Can any such simple and universally positive synopsis be made for Scientology? So. Can you ? All cults operate on the basis of claiming to offer the exclusive secret to rescue you from having been born, and if you buy that you're completely faithless. I really don't know what can be done to this cult, or pretty much other cults here in the United States, but its pretty sad that our tax money funds this sort of lunacy. Yes, they do. Christianity has proven over the years to be much MUCH more evil of a religion. "the church keeps the heat up on these heretics.". A powerful global corporation? Scientology is joke, but very real to those that are inside. Religion is what people use to justify their actions and to make themselves feel better and superior to others. larger stars visible from here) However, during the course of his investigation he soon finds that he has become a target of the Church. I am not even going to comment on their methods. The reason I asked you if you have ever done Scientology is to find out if you have any other data besides what you have been told via critics on the net. A collection of Louis Theroux's wide array of gripping documentaries. average) by mass implanting. That is a very small part of Scientology. So, I am not going to tell you what to think, you can go and look for yourself and see what positives you can see and get an accurate picture. This is a so-called church, yet so much of its treatment of non-believers smacks of paranoia, notably the revelation that Sweeney’s 2007 ‘exploding tomato’ impression was encouraged. Your reality is made up by what you see and hear. As ice-cube said: Check yo'self before ya wreck yo'self! Since the laws says they can not teach creation they teach nothing. Is there is anything you can think of which we do not exploit for profit? But a sincere religion or philosophy out to better humans and the world? Are you in any position to see the information of the damages vs the benefits of scientology? The programme gained particular controversy before and during filming due to unresolved differences on content and approach between Sweeney's production team and Scientology members. Members have no right to complain. I do Scientology not only to improve my life but also because as I have a more positive influence around me and that helps everyone. This is classic denial of the truth, that they f--ked up and pissed away the best years of their youth and life on a big lie, on something false, unhealthy, predatory, parasitic and fundamentally life negating on every possible level. Still, isn't there a law permitting the use of spy equipment or using evidence for extortion? The first rule is the one of common descent. But I caught it just in time and squelched it. All of society has been influenced. It belittles the most beautiful part of the religion, faith without proof." As to this question - "Why do christians that value faith, which I find beautiful in and of itself, continually try and claim some historical proof or accuracy that simply doesn’t exist? BBC Panorama - Scientology and Me - 4head auf Dailymotion ansehen Such an insecure religion; they need cameras, security, gestapo, and all inclusive compounds. In addition, the document displayed on this web page was authenticated by Helena Kobrin, lawyer for Scientology's Religious Technology Center, in a letter sent to Carnegie Mellon's legal counsel on January 24, 1997. i don't even know who is the head of the "church" -- everyone kept referring to "they" but no specific individual/s were ever mentioned. I used to live kind of close to it and it is so gross to have to see every day. My Scientology Movie is a 2015 British documentary film about Scientology directed by John Dower, and written by and starring Louis Theroux.The film takes an unconventional approach to the subject matter, featuring young actors "auditioning" for parts playing high-profile Scientologists in scenes recreating accounts from ex-members about incidents involving senior church management. The place (Confed.) I remember feeling completely numb and making sure to arrange my expression so that the course supervisor would not realize how stunned I was. I agree that the core concepts are beautiful but that doesn't excuse the wrong doings of the the organized religion that has over taken these concepts. Going Clear captures how Hubbard fused reality, fantasy and the pursuit of enlightenment in a way that, according to the film’s witnesses, expressed his own highly unstable and even violent nature – at one point Gibney shows how Hubbard even told his wife that one of their children had died, just to manipulate her. You don't need to be won over by their nonsense to be affected, that's my point; gays certainly aren't won over by the Mormon churches nonsense, but they are most certainly affected. But for you to want people, no matter who, to be a part of something like this, tells me you don't understand the potential for disaster a cult this big harbors. Before you have anything to say about my post, check out this link: [link removed]. I personally hate the politically correct agenda so feel free to call me a drunk cause I'm Irish, A faciest cause I'm German, An elitist because I'm American, whatever I have thick skin. Going Clear makes you empathise with Scientology’s rank and file, who come off as victims of Church leaders’ eager advertising. It involves less than a handful of people and is not what is dealt with in Scientology on a day to day basis. For all the brave and insightful exposes that have been written about the Church of Scientology, an aura of impenetrable mystery remains. Just a bunch of WEAK MINDED Followers... with some hard core over powering leaders. Why complicate things? Damn I'd love to punch those annoying camera men paid off by that cult of m@#$%&. It's a free compilation of all documentaries posted each week, straight to your inbox. Bloody Brilliant! 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